Pub Bigot 11:10 Sun Mar 5
West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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This already feels like a daft question, but in 1965 the London boundary expanded and large chunks of west Essex into east London. So pre 1965, were we considered an Essex club?
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Spandex Sidney
11:16 Sun Mar 5
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Wasn't the River Lea (I believe) the old Essex/Middlesex boundary (London was made up mostly of Middlesex I think I remember my grandad told me)?
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Pub Bigot
11:22 Sun Mar 5
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As far as I know, the East End of London started at Aldgate and ended at the River Lea. Interestingly, it would make the south London nomads the original East End club as Canning Town would have been part of Essex.
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Dwight Van Mann
11:28 Sun Mar 5
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Were the Thames Ironworks London or Essex?
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Pub Bigot
11:33 Sun Mar 5
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First played in Hermit Road, Canning Town, so Essex. I'm interested in what those of the day considered themselves to be. Never met someone from beyond the River Lea to East Ham who considered themselves anything but east London. I've met folk as far as Upminster who consider themselves east London, which is weird, but is part of the London boundary growth of 1965.
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Son of Anarchy
11:36 Sun Mar 5
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All the wanabee essex boys bang on about them being eastenders dispite living in romford
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11:40 Sun Mar 5
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We are an East End club, always were and still are.
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gph
11:43 Sun Mar 5
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The Lea was the traditional boundary between Essex and Middlesex, and before that, between the Danelaw and the rest of England
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ManorParkHammer
11:51 Sun Mar 5
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This ain't hard.
The east end is a small part of east London pretty much defined by the modern day borough of tower hamlets.
Not everyone from east London is from the east end.
The borders of east London shifted in the 60's.
They now include part of the borough of Hackney and all,of the boroughs of tower hamlets, newham, Waltham Forest, Redbridge, Barking and Dagenham and havering.
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claret50
11:52 Sun Mar 5
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We have never been referred to as an Essex club, Ilford, Barking and Dagenham were all in Essex when I grew up in the 40's & 50's and when I lived in Manor Park in the 60's Essex started at Ilford.
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Pub Bigot
11:54 Sun Mar 5
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Claret, so even when you were growing up we were an East End/East London club?
I'm Mile End before someone calls me Essex.
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The Stoat
11:55 Sun Mar 5
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claret50 11:52 Sun Mar 5
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11:56 Sun Mar 5
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Bigot, back in those days nobody was preoccupied about county boundaries. Essex, in the east end, had a boundary with Middlesex. My cousins in Poplar played football and cricket for Middlesex schoolboys.
We never claimed to be an Essex club predominantly we were and still are an East End club.
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Pub Bigot
11:57 Sun Mar 5
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Thanks Comma. My question is answered.
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MikeHammer
12:04 Mon Mar 6
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Never an Eastend club but East London despite some Essex boundary issues !
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gph
12:27 Mon Mar 6
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We were never in the same county as Tottenham; we are in the same city.
Essex = Westhamshire;
Middlesex = Tottenhamshire...
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Uncle Junior
12:42 Mon Mar 6
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Yeah early 60's West Ham was Essex ' now Romford , Woodford are East London !!
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Wilko Johnson
1:31 Mon Mar 6
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In Vera Lynn's autobiography she says ( quite rightly in my opinion ) that her neighbourhood of East Ham was never in the "East End".
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altyhammer
1:56 Mon Mar 6
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The river Lea was the boundary, west was Middlesex and east was Essex. It all kind of changed sometime in the late 40's, early 50's with the creation of of the GLC, I think(?).
We have always been Essex, no other county could be imagined really, so kind of see where the Dme Vera is coming from.
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gph
2:04 Mon Mar 6
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GLC was 1965 - hence the thread title.
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ted fenton
6:14 Mon Mar 6
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claret50 11:52 Sun Mar 5
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We have never been referred to as an Essex club, Ilford, Barking and Dagenham were all in Essex when I grew up in the 40's & 50's and when I lived in Manor Park in the 60's Essex started at Ilford.
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